"Bigs" Stockwatch | Big Board 5.0
ESPN Insider's Chad Ford and Kevin Pelton return to provide the kind of discussions that are happening in front offices around the NBA -- where scouts and statistical experts are breaking down NBA draft prospects using their "eyes, ears and numbers."
Question: Does Myles Turner deserve consideration as a top-5 pick in the 2015 draft?
Kevin Pelton: The last two weeks, we've talked about the consensus top-2 big men prospects in college basketball, Jahlil Okafor and Karl-Anthony Towns. As I mentioned last week, however, another freshman post player ranks ahead of both of them in my WARP projections: Myles Turner of the Texas Longhorns. Per 40 minutes, Turner is averaging 20.9 points, 12.0 rebounds and 4.9 blocks. He's shown college 3-point range, making 13 triples at a 35.1 percent clip. And Turner won't turn 19 until midway through the NCAA tournament. So, Chad, should teams consider him in the same echelon as Okafor and Towns?
Chad Ford: He's a pretty polarizing player among scouts. Some absolutely love him and see him as a contender for a top-5 pick. Others are very wary. The upside is clearly there -- he's an athletic 7-footer who can stretch the floor, rebound and protect the rim. Those guys don't come along every day. But Turner has been inconsistent, especially against elite teams, and so many scouts can't get over the awkward way that he runs the floor -- sort of like an old man with two bad knees playing pickup ball at the YMCA.
Pelton: Performance against elite teams is an understandable concern. Turner has been a different player against better opponents. Here's how his performance breaks down by opponents ranked in the top 100 by KenPom.com, and all others.
Turner performance by opponent
At the same time, I'm a believer that the bigger sample is almost always more telling than the smaller sample, so I wouldn't put too much in the difference over fewer than a dozen games.
Ford: I'm really intrigued, and everyone else is too, I think. But it feels like both Okafor and Towns are just surer things at this point. So maybe you could help explain why the numbers favor Turner over both Okafor and Towns.
Question: How does Turner compare to Okafor and Towns?
Pelton: Let's take a look at some key stats.
Top freshmen post players
In some ways, Turner represents the middle ground between Okafor (the best offensive player of the group) and Towns (the best defender), in large part because of his excellent free throw shooting. He's been efficient while carrying a heavy load on offense, yet he's also one of the nation's better shot-blockers. Two hidden advantages for Turner: First, his 3-point attempts help him with the spacing bonus my WARP system awards outside shooters; second, his turnover rate is incredibly low, which tends to be a subtle skill. Do those numbers match up with what scouts are seeing?
Ford: They do. Turner is clearly the unique 4 who can both stretch the floor and protect the rim. Floor spacing and rim-protection are huge pluses in the NBA. Obviously the potential is there for Turner to be special. Again, I think it's the questions about the long-term health of his knees and questions about how uneven his performances have been that have given rise to caution. But look, the potential to be a top-3 pick is there, and if Turner pulls off a string of stellar games toward the end of the season, he could be right there on draft night -- assuming all goes well in the physicals.
So given that he's the top guy on your board, how does Turner compare to other top picks, and do you have a good comp for him?
Question: How does Turner compare to past prospects?
Pelton: As discussed in the Okafor breakdown, the typical No. 1 pick has been projected for an average of 3.1 WARP during their first four seasons in the NBA. Turner's current WARP projection is 3.0, so he's right in that average range. That puts him a little ahead of Joel Embiid last season (2.9 projected WARP).
Four past players score better than 90 in terms of similarity to Turner: Chris Bosh (94.3), Derrick Favors (92.6), Kosta Koufos (92.2) and Greg Oden (91.0). Of that group, Bosh seems like the most reasonable comparison in terms of Turner's ability to protect the rim and stretch the floor.
Ford: Yeah, I thought Bosh would be a good comp for him, though I feel like Turner projects as both a better rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level. I actually am more comfortable with him in that role right now than as an offensive weapon. I wonder if Serge Ibaka is another comp as well. Turner doesn't have Ibaka's body and never will, but might be more comparable as an elite shot-blocker who can stretch the floor.
Obviously, those comps should place him right in the mix for a top-5 selection. I really wonder how much of his draft projection being in the top 10 instead of the top three or four is just the visual aesthetic of watching how he runs.
Question: Every week we ask each of you to identify a potential draft sleeper for us. Who has caught your attention this week?
Pelton: Tyler Harvey, G, Jr., Eastern Washington
I'm reaching back a few weeks for my sleeper. Harvey was a big factor in Eastern's 8-1 start, which included a win at Indiana, and I saw him play well against both Washington and Seattle University in December. Teammate Venky Jois actually rates as slightly better this season, but Harvey's size (he's listed at 6-foot-4, 185 pounds) and shooting ability give him the better chance to make the leap to the NBA. I have him rated solidly in the second round. Has his name come up from scouts?
Ford: Well, you do love those Washington players don't you? And this time, you made me have to go do some extra homework. He's not in our Top 100, and after talking with scouts, I'm not sure he's in many of theirs, either. However, maybe they are sleeping on him. He's clearly a lights-out 3-point shooter. He's shooting 48.6 percent from beyond the arc, and 62 percent of all of the shots he's taking are from there. He's also shooting a respectable 44 percent on his 2-point jumpers. I'm going to make the case in the next section that the NBA is obsessed right now with sharp shooters. So ... let's see if you get NBA scouts scrambling.
Ford: Devin Booker, SG, Fr., Kentucky.
Scouts are watching Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson light it up at Golden State and Kyle Korver having a historic season shooting the ball in Atlanta, and so many teams are craving a player in that mold. This draft isn't loaded with great shooters, and I've watched Booker rise about 10 spots on our Big Board every month. He's now up to No. 14 in our Top 100, and I'm wondering if he's going to march even higher.
He's shooting 50 percent from 3, projects to be the youngest player in the draft, has been a surprisingly good defender and is such a smart player. What do the numbers say about where Booker should go?
Pelton: That's actually precisely the same spot Booker occupies in my WARP projections. His age, as you mentioned, is huge. Booker won't turn 19 until the start of the 2015-16 season, so for him to be arguably Kentucky's best wing player this season is incredible. I also like Booker's combination of size and shooting ability, which makes both him and R.J. Hunter intriguing prospects.